The next album...
World number eight...
Daniel: "We are starting to get a grasp of the tons of material that I have been working on in my head. My vision is that the next album will be
recorded in our rehearsing room, and we have started to prepare ourselves and the rehearsing room for this. The material that I am focusing on for the
album at the moment, is some sort of cross breed between the heavy early 70s in the vein of Sabbath/Zeppelin and the dark weirdness of Faith no
More/Soundgarden together with a touch of fragile suggestiveness displayed by The Doors/Jeff Buckley. Add some energetic Foo Fighters and you will
start to get the picture..."
DVD
Daniel: "The DVD is starting to come together, and will consist of two separate discs - one will be the live show from our last tour, and the other
one will be a documentary following the band on the 2005 tour, which marked the end of that line-up. The fact that the band has seen such major
changes the last two years made it very difficult emotionally to invest time and energy in this product, and it wasn't until the documentary draft was
proposed by Per Hillblom that I started to see what this DVD was trying to communicate. We still have a few commentary tracks to record but we are
starting to see the end of it."
Charity gigs
We have added a few new upcoming shows this fall in the Tour section.
As usual, Pain of Salvation will always do what they can to support causes they agree with, and this year they will play in Finnaker, Sweden on the
6th of September at the charity festival Rock for Moc (for Mozambique), and later on in Eskilstuna, Sweden, at the last day of the European Mobility
Week, September 22 (car free day). On the 10th of October they will again play in Eskilstuna, at the Balsta Musikslott (Buster stage), headlining the
"Rock for the Children of the World" night.
Read more in the Tour section!
:hat
[quote]
The material that I am focusing on for the album at the moment, is some sort of cross breed between the heavy early 70s in the vein of
Sabbath/Zeppelin and the dark weirdness of Faith no More/Soundgarden together with a touch of fragile suggestiveness displayed by The Doors/Jeff
Buckley. Add some energetic Foo Fighters and you will start to get the picture..."[/quote]
Me not like very much...I get the feeling it will be raw alternative rock/metal in straight fashion. New world, new experiences I guess...Thinking of
it now,it might be ok. ;)
Much of it depends on the lyrical concept to me...
Though in my experience descriptions are usually far from the final outcome...
We'll just have to wait and see... :z
i don't even want to make that picture, i want to hear the result. and the dvd is taking too long already...
I think as fans, we're better off not trying to put those bands together in our minds. [b]70's alternative progressive nu-metal[/b] makes me
shudder.
Most of us miss the straight up progressive metal roots of Pain of Salvation, but we have to understand that that's not what Daniel wants to do
anymore. And it isn't easy to grasp that concept...
But hopefully this album is THE BEST (the best the best the best, etc).
Nu metal?
Doesn't sound anything like NU-metal to me.
More like a little bit back to their roots, but you'll never know.
The Faith no more/Soundgarden influences were always there. And the "Energy" of Foo Fighters is definitely a good thing.(i never liked their
music...extremely formulative but they always seem energetic)
Looking forward to this!
Faith No More influenced a lot of the nu-metal bands of the late 90's, such as one of Daniel's favorite (barf) Limp Bizkit. Daniel's always sparingly used nu-metal influences in his music. Didn't you listen to the first two tracks on Scarsick? ;)
well, there's Faith no More/Soundgarden in TPE1 as well :)
Anyways, the way they go about is always surprising. Can end up being a bit NU-metallish like scarsick or just something closer TPE1/Remedy Lane.
Whatever it is, lets just hope it's done well.(Even if it's NU-metal...as long as it sounds "new" and not generic like so many others out there :p)
Hm.. Till now i thought Daniel wouldn't want his music to be compared with any other bands, but now he draws that comparisons himself. I just hope the
new album is going to be unique and not only a mix of old music.
Still can't wait to hear it.
Great, I'll look forward to hearing whatever they create.
ale-motherfuckin'-luya!
70's alternative progressive nu-metal HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Me would wait-... Glad to see they are alive...
So the update is that there is nothing to report? "We're still working in the DVD. We might start working on the new album soon" - we kinda knew that much already, didn't we?
I admit that I had the same thought there.
However. Daniel lives. That's good.
Eskilstuna...
yes
Tilburg first. Only 10 days! :grin
Is this the first time Daniel is using other bands to describe an upcoming record?
He's becoming Mike Portnoy... :)
[quote][i]Message original : niguevara[/i]
Is this the first time Daniel is using other bands to describe an upcoming record?
[/quote]
It's a Fake ! :D
World number 8 ....... ???
(^Yes, if BE is 6, then SS is 7, so logically.....)
WHUHU!!...
... so what is the news??
[quote]the heavy early 70s in the vein of Sabbath/Zeppelin[/quote]
Awesome
[quote]the dark weirdness of Faith no More/Soundgarden[/quote]
Awesome
[quote]a touch of fragile suggestiveness displayed by The Doors/Jeff Buckley[/quote]
Stop doing that, please
[quote]Add some energetic Foo Fighters[/quote]
Well, could be worse
It's on the plus side for me. At least they're not going for Metallica o/
[quote]
It's a Fake ![/quote]
Could very well be... I wouldn't be surprised!
[quote]
Daniel: "We are starting to get a grasp of the tons of material that I have been working on in my head. My vision is that the next album will be
recorded in our rehearsing room, and we have started to prepare ourselves and the rehearsing room for this. The material that I am focusing on for the
album at the moment, is some sort of cross breed between the heavy early 70s in the vein of Sabbath/Zeppelin and the dark weirdness of Faith no
More/Soundgarden together with a touch of fragile suggestiveness displayed by The Doors/Jeff Buckley. Add some energetic Foo Fighters and you will
start to get the picture..."[/quote]
seems like audioslave meets faith no more meets nick cave! :D
That's the picture I get! Anyway,I'm looking forward to this... It is bound to be good (it's Daniel) ,but just how good I don't have a clue...
One thing is sure though, it will once again divide us fans...since it is not going to be another remedy lane or tpe1 for sure.
I just hope the difference from the rest of the opus won't be too intentional or forced. If there will be one...
There will be blood on this forum when it is out... Amen.
What do you mean it will once again divide us? Prog fans are supposed to be open-minded.
I for one am fukken glad it won't be another RL or TPE1. That wouldn't be very progressive, would it?
Gah, I'm repeating myself .. Anyway, it's simple. It'll be new. It'll be PoS and as someone rather famous once said:
If you like it you stay, if you don't you go.
I meant it will divide fans in a way Be and SS did. Prog fans are NOT open-minded in most cases.
I'm glad it won't be copy of anything they released so far ,too. And I'm really looking forward to it...Now I'm repeating myself. :) Anyway,the
concept story and the music are very tightly connected in PoS music,and that's what I'm looking forward to most! That interweaving play between lyrics
and story is what it's all about to me...
Like Scarsick: I mean,you know it'd be awfully wrong to make complex,technical,extra multilayerd song out of cribcaged, for instance.
That album would be average if it was just about music (to me of course),but the whole picture makes it excellent.
To sum things up,I'd like the "8th world" to make an impression on me as it did "There Will Be Blood".
:hat
POS are gay why do you all listen to them DT and PT are way beter. Gildonlew is just trying to cover the fact that hes run out of ideas by making new non progressive albums like hte last one scarsick its got no good songs except one bit in enter rain and there are hardly any technical bits.....why is he so anti american too americas great even ask john petrucci he knows that americas great we should believe him not some arogant swedsh guy.. I hope u guys agree with me...
uuu,... there will be some fight... How I used to miss them!!!!
... but I agree with Achey.
Nice to have news. :D
Why is that when a fanbase that is divided it's because the opposition is close-minded?
I mean, I'm all for changing things up, and have quite an eclectic taste in music, but Scarsick was just bad, and if the new one is bad, then I should
be allowed to say that I think it's bad.
Of course, I don't think it'll be bad. Reaching Be or Remedy Lane levels is quite a feat in itself.
Scarsick wasn't bad. You just didn't like it, that doesn't make it a bad album.
Matter of taste, so to speak.
[quote][i]Originally posted by FallenTabris[/i]
Nice to have news. :D[/quote]
i agree.
but a huge reason i was drawn to PoS was because no other band really sounds like them to me... I like scarsick but i would really like to hear
something with more funk or jazz or something else than rap/alternative/nu metal etc... I dont like the direction the band is going, and i pray to
fucking Jeebus there isint a metallica incident. But, on the other hand, PoS is Daniel's baby, he created it and he has the right to do whatever the
fuck he wants, chances are ill like it anyway.
[quote][i]Originally posted by TreeHandThingy[/i]
Scarsick was just bad[/quote]
NO UR WRONG!!11!!1!1
Scarsick > TPE I
[quote][i]Originally posted by Sacro[/i]
Scarsick > TPE I[/quote]
You're right, and I'll prove it.
Scarsick=TpeII
II>I
Multliply by Tpe:
TpeII>TpeI
And excange for TpeII:
Scarsick>TpeI
It's all there, in the math.:p
8o
[quote][i]Wys³ane przez Landvogt[/i]
Hm.. Till now i thought Daniel wouldn't want his music to be compared with any other bands, but now he draws that comparisons himself. I just hope the
new album is going to be unique and not only a mix of old music.
Still can't wait to hear it.[/quote]
+1
But I'm afraid... a little :grin
No Slayer, Death, Mastodon or other metal bands :grin
[quote]
POS are gay why do you all listen to them DT and PT are way beter. Gildonlew is just trying to cover the fact that hes run out of ideas by making new
non progressive albums like hte last one scarsick its got no good songs except one bit in enter rain and there are hardly any technical bits.....why
is he so anti american too americas great even ask john petrucci he knows that americas great we should believe him not some arogant swedsh guy.. I
hope u guys agree with me... [/quote]
:lol :lol
gaydenlow is dumb
[quote][i]Originally posted by Sacro[/i]
gaydenlow is dumb[/quote]yeh exactly its nice to see someone else round here hu thinks how i do and noes the ttruth......do u hav msn maybe we can
talk about it and i can sent u sum of MPs new solo stuff its great hes class.....peace man your cool unlike most ppl here unfortun8ly....
sabbath and soundgarden influences can NEVER be a bad thing, if u ask me. also, sounds like they might actually record it live, which would be an extremely virtuous act by all standards! jättekul!
also four new entrys at daniels blog, one of them is about the new album/studio:
http://www.gildenlow.com/wp/?p=40
the other entrys:
http://www.gildenlow.com/wp/?p=41
http://www.gildenlow.com/wp/?p=42
http://www.gildenlow.com/wp/?p=45
[quote][i]Originally posted by Adan0s[/i]
also four new entrys at daniels blog, one of themn is about the new album/studio:
http://www.gildenlow.com/wp/?p=40[/quote]
Sounds like Daniel's more interested in decorating the recording studio than actually recording the album! :lol
"A room light enough to hold the darkness that is my music…"
hmm erm, lol
About Sabbath/Zeppelin/FNM/FooFighters thing... I think this will be the death of Pain of Salvation as a good band. Scarsick was bad, and this seems
to be just the further step into it. I'm extremely pessimistic.
Of course Sabbath was an amazing band, but who honestly thinks PoS can go heavy/doom metal (and crossed with Foo Fighters? what a joke!).
All my favorite bands seem to be cursed :cry:
[quote][i]Originally posted by Achey[/i]
POS are gay why do you all listen to them DT and PT are way beter. Gildonlew is just trying to cover the fact that hes run out of ideas by making new
non progressive albums like hte last one scarsick its got no good songs except one bit in enter rain and there are hardly any technical bits.....why
is he so anti american too americas great even ask john petrucci he knows that americas great we should believe him not some arogant swedsh guy.. I
hope u guys agree with me...[/quote]
In my opinion, this is kinda being close minded.
Scarsick, well, I do understand why many are put off by it, but believe me, i know quite a few ppl who enjoyed it. It's just very subjective. And i
know some ppl, who believe in the message it sends out as well. If you do think a little bit outside the box and put yourself in their place, you'll
realize why they liked it.
Anyways, lets not turn this into another political debate. Lets just wait and see how the new album goes. One bad album doesn't make them 'out of
ideas' or 'gay' or any such thing.
Young man, Achey was 100% ironic
also, forget about music quality being subjective.
wow, I'm really an Idiot then:lol...with a capital I.
Seems like that after re-reading it. But Internet sarcasm is hard to detect now-a-days :mad
FooFitghters?
Oh...Daniel looks like Dave....may be.:p
the funny thing is, that all the PoS fans I know personally, quite liked or even loved scarsick a lot, and so do I.
in fact, one should not mention, that terms like "suck", "bad" are just subjective things, as well as "good". and I just can't get it, when ppl say,
most of us wish for another direction than this very album...
I love scarsick and I hope, PoS don't do much "prog metal" anymore, even though I also love everything in that kinda vein, they've put out in the
past.
they will come up with some new ideas, and I think it will be great. esp. the 70's approach seems promising!!!
I'm not sure what to think of the upcoming album. I was hoping it would be more like the first five studio albums and less like the sixth (Scarsick).
It isn't a bad album IMO, but I like the rest of the albums much more. I feel kind of the same way about Tool and Puscifer. I love Tool (and APC), but
Puscifer isn't that enjoyable to me. I kind of don't understand what's cool about making the music easier for people to understand and more mainstream
sounding. Puscifer is like background music. :p
I'm looking forward to the album and DVD though. [i]Be Live[/i] is the best music DVD ever! The Stream of Passion DVD is close though. :p
i just hope the new album blows my mind. Scarsick was the only one so far that did not.(but i still do like it)
[quote][i]Originally posted by Demonoid[/i]
Believe me, i know quite a few ppl who enjoyed it. It's just very subjective. [/quote]
I know a lot of people who like the new Snoop Dogg album, so what's your point?
[quote][i]Originally posted by brokkel[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Demonoid[/i]
Believe me, i know quite a few ppl who enjoyed it. It's just very subjective. [/quote]
I know a lot of people who like the new Snoop Dogg album, so what's your point?[/quote]What`s wrong with the new Snoop Dogg album?
[quote][i]Originally posted by beckisagod[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by brokkel[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Demonoid[/i]
Believe me, i know quite a few ppl who enjoyed it. It's just very subjective. [/quote]
I know a lot of people who like the new Snoop Dogg album, so what's your point?[/quote]What`s wrong with the new Snoop Dogg album?[/quote]
Fo rizzle my nizzle.
...yay, he changed the background!
[quote][i]Originally posted by Arcadian[/i]
They will come up with some new ideas, and I think it will be great. [/quote]
Yeah, exactly, I have faith in Herr Gildonlew, and I know any music he ever makes will be "good". That sounds "fanboyish" but I just think that he's
incapable of making poor music. Musically, his stuff might suffer sometimes, but I like that if the musical banality is there to support a concept in
a funny or unique way (A bit like Disco Queen, for example). I love that stuff.
I can't wait.
Oh, and I was being 110% sarcasticironic earlier, my bad:lol
[quote][i]Originally posted by Achey[/i]
Yeah, exactly, I have faith in Herr Gildonlew, and I know any music he ever makes will be "good". That sounds "fanboyish" but I just think that he's
incapable of making poor music. Musically, his stuff might suffer sometimes, but I like that if the musical banality is there to support a concept in
a funny or unique way (A bit like Disco Queen, for example). I love that stuff.
I can't wait.
Oh, and I was being 110% sarcasticironic earlier, my bad:lol[/quote]
Achey is my twin brother... It's just he doesn't know that yet.
;) ;)
[quote][i]Originally posted by Everlasting[/i]
Young man, Achey was 100% ironic[/quote]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Achey[/i]
Oh, and I was being 110% sarcasticironic earlier, my bad:lol[/quote]
don't you try to outbid me, [size=6][b]you 130% cynicarstironiatiricamocking sardonic person[/b][/size]
Everlastin ftw!
[quote][i]Originally posted by Everlasting[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Everlasting[/i]
Young man, Achey was 100% ironic[/quote]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Achey[/i]
Oh, and I was being 110% sarcasticironic earlier, my bad:lol[/quote]
don't you try to outbid me, [size=6][b]you 130% cynicarstironiatiricamocking sardonic person[/b][/size]
Everlastin ftw![/quote]
Yeah well......I'm Irish. You're Swiss.
WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT [size=40]THAT[/size], EH?
I would like if he said something along the lines of "We are going to make an album that sounds like TPE1 and OHBTCL mixed together."
I know lots of people like to see progress/change in a band, but if they would've stuck to the formula they used for those two albums I would be a
happy man! :)
Release the friggin' DVD already! :mad
Want some documentaries about old&new band members. And some stupid comments from Danny and Johan. And a competition with no prize. And a live
concert full of win. Then release the new album. And it better be azumangamazing.
+ 0.5
[quote][i]Originally posted by Tyr[/i]
I would like if he said something along the lines of "We are going to make an album that sounds like TPE1 and OHBTCL mixed together."
I know lots of people like to see progress/change in a band, but if they would've stuck to the formula they used for those two albums I would be a
happy man! :)[/quote]
Go listen to DT.
:p
[quote][i]Originally posted by Nenya[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Tyr[/i]
I would like if he said something along the lines of "We are going to make an album that sounds like TPE1 and OHBTCL mixed together."
I know lots of people like to see progress/change in a band, but if they would've stuck to the formula they used for those two albums I would be a
happy man! :)[/quote]
Go listen to DT.
:p[/quote]
If the album is anything like Scarsick, gladly.
:p
[quote][i]Originally posted by lordo[/i]
If the album is anything like Scarsick, gladly.
:p[/quote]
As long as you still love me, it's all fine by me :p
Baby, I give it what I got.
I'll give this album a clean slate, I'm sure it will still be better than most of the other tripe out there ;)
I hope PoS don't ever use the same "formula" twice! maybe they did, TPE and RL- stylistically- sound very close, to me.
when I listen to PoS it's all about progression. IMO, everyone who likes to have another entropia or tpe sticks to the wrong band, maybe. It's not
that I could not understand that, I like the early In Flames, but what they do since the end of the 90's just bores the crap out of me.... hmm, on the
other hand I really really like Metallica's LOAD, though I have thrash metal roots!!! :hat
oh well, matter of taste... talking about that is so senseless^^
but the DVD will be released soon enough. as long as they don't do it like century media with the nevermore dvd (recorded fall 2006 -release fall
2008), I'm fine with any date!!!
I think that all of you will be surprised more than you can imagine.
He CAN use those influences (which are only influences, and not straight out-of-the-box musical "ideas") and cross it with progressive metal genre in
the way you can only imagine. Let's hope for the best.
I don't care as the bands Daniel mentioned all rule and I simply want to hear what he comes up with this time.
For the record, I'm firmly in the Scarsick is amazing and misunderstood camp.
I'm still taking Danny's statement with a bit of salt:grin
I still want something dark with folk influences and a deep spiritual concept. I don't think the Foo Fighters will be able to deliver that kind of inspiration.
[quote][i]Originally posted by TreeHandThingy[/i]
I still want something dark with folk influences and a deep spiritual concept. I don't think the Foo Fighters will be able to deliver that kind of
inspiration.[/quote]
Imagine if they tried
oh god
[quote][i]Originally posted by TreeHandThingy[/i]
I still want something dark with folk influences and a deep spiritual concept. I don't think the Foo Fighters will be able to deliver that kind of
inspiration.[/quote]
i concur
:eek what happened to their homepage??? seems, that something is on its way!
Yeah. Now I'm really curious. I hope they are being philosophical and not literal...
why it reads "Enter Daniel" as the name of the site ?
i guess they'll just switch to myspace and never look back :rolleyes
no they won't
Clearly this means that they have disbanded. 8o
wut
No wai they split. But for the site (KoL)... well it might have come to an end.
It didn't get updated as often as it should and maybe Daniel thinks it's too much for him to handle three sites at once.8o8o8o
But they do get separated as a band, not having a site to represent them on the internet, but for myspace. :(
They should just get a bloody webmaster from outside the band, it's not like they don't have enough nerdy fans who would probably be dedicated and
talented enough to keep up a site better than the previous one.
I was kind of hoping it's just teasing before a new layout of the site though. Transferring to MySpace alone would be pretty laughable for a band like
PoS.
[quote][i]Originally posted by TheFourthHorseman[/i]
They should just get a bloody webmaster from outside the band, it's not like they don't have enough nerdy fans who would probably be dedicated and
talented enough to keep up a site better than the previous one.
I was kind of hoping it's just teasing before a new layout of the site though. Transferring to MySpace alone would be pretty laughable for a band like
PoS.[/quote]
Absolutely agree. I'm sure that even a number of us on Remedy Lane would update their website for free. It wouldn't even take that long...
aaaah, controversy---
I think that if they have disbanded some press release would be sent to the music media... however, this band it's not like Dissection's where they
know even before than Blabbermouth that Novdeidt commited suicide. Well... maybe this would be an end to the late site layout where was taken from
years.
Oh, Daniel said he's working on a new website when I talked to him :p
This still works:
http://www.painofsalvation.com/main.htm
Hm, slowly I get a little pissed at PoS/Daniel or whoever.
I think this is not real news, is it so hard to write (short?) news a bit more regulary and offer a bit more to the loyal fan??
[quote][i]Wys³ane przez Nenya[/i]
Oh, Daniel said he's working on a new website when I talked to him :p
This still works:
http://www.painofsalvation.com/main.htm[/quote]
Yeah, I just have noticed :grin
But even if he's working on a new site, he should leave the links to PoS myspace, his blog, insideout etc, because now, the main site is just like a
dead end... |I
[quote][i]Message original : Nenya[/i]
Oh, Daniel said he's working on a new website when I talked to him :p
This still works:
http://www.painofsalvation.com/main.htm[/quote]
Is not this ? http://www.painofsalvation.com/enter.html :D
:D:D
[quote]
Hm, slowly I get a little pissed at PoS/Daniel or whoever.
I think this is not real news, is it so hard to write (short?) news a bit more regulary and offer a bit more to the loyal fan??
[/quote]
Oh,get over it!
He (they) is in the middle of making new album,new dvd,tour,rehearsing etc... When something important happens we will know...
He is not Mike Portnoy (thank god) ;)
[quote]http://www.painofsalvation.com/enter.html[/quote]
:D yeah, it's very funny ))
I think we are focusing on the wrong thing...instead of focusing on bands mentioned I think we should be focusing on the way the album will be
recorded. Recording album in a rehearsal room doesn't seem to bring forth musically deep,layered, textured album like previous ones (*No,I don't want
another TPE or RL or whatever*)...
And as Daniel said he always tries to find perfect form for the music, and recording in a rehearsal room could only be perfect for
straight,"non-avantgarde" music IMO... Well, true,jazz albums are almost always recorded that way and are deep,complex etc... But truth be told PoS
isn't that capable in terms of instrumentalists /musicians... So I think we're in for a slightly alternative rock album.
Don't get me wrong,I think it will be good album at least,but there is so much good music out there and I don't want/need/expect a good PoS album...
Only excellent or great or amazing or perfect recording would satisfy me...
Maybe that's not nice,but that's how it is...
Just my two cents.
;)
[quote][i]Originally posted by frantyk[/i]
But even if he's working on a new site, he should leave the links to PoS myspace, his blog, insideout etc, because now, the main site is just like a
dead end... |I[/quote]
It's not like there was any info on it before :p
I remember Kriss's tour diary... That would be good idea to use back
[quote][i]Ursprünglich verfasst von niguevara[/i]
I think we are focusing on the wrong thing...instead of focusing on bands mentioned I think we should be focusing on the way the album will be
recorded. Recording album in a rehearsal room doesn't seem to bring forth musically deep,layered, textured album like previous ones (*No,I don't want
another TPE or RL or whatever*)...
And as Daniel said he always tries to find perfect form for the music, and recording in a rehearsal room could only be perfect for
straight,"non-avantgarde" music IMO... Well, true,jazz albums are almost always recorded that way and are deep,complex etc... But truth be told PoS
isn't that capable in terms of instrumentalists /musicians... So I think we're in for a slightly alternative rock album.
Don't get me wrong,I think it will be good album at least,but there is so much good music out there and I don't want/need/expect a good PoS album...
Only excellent or great or amazing or perfect recording would satisfy me...
Maybe that's not nice,but that's how it is...
Just my two cents.
;)[/quote]
nah, I don't think so! did you ever listened to Pink Floyd - live in Pompeii? really great, and very experimental.
maybe they go for some overdubs like Yes, as they recorded some parts of "awaken" live, in a cathedral, and added many details later. even on
scarsick, there is so much detail, if you listen with headphones.. little guitar licks, and keyboard sounds, which make it deeper than I thought at
first. last week, as I was reading the manual for the Elements guitars (there's a DVD with some scarsick tracks playing in the menu), I put on
headphones, and I did discover many things, I never noticed before!
the big advantage of live recording compared to overdub is, that it's a bit more "flowing", I guess. whereas BE sometimes sounds a bit mechanical, or
how should I put it?
I could imagine, that they'll record some basic things together first, then going over the material, and work from there... or something like this..
[quote][i]Originally posted by Arcadian[/i]
[quote][i]Ursprünglich verfasst von niguevara[/i]
I think we are focusing on the wrong thing...instead of focusing on bands mentioned I think we should be focusing on the way the album will be
recorded. Recording album in a rehearsal room doesn't seem to bring forth musically deep,layered, textured album like previous ones (*No,I don't want
another TPE or RL or whatever*)...
And as Daniel said he always tries to find perfect form for the music, and recording in a rehearsal room could only be perfect for
straight,"non-avantgarde" music IMO... Well, true,jazz albums are almost always recorded that way and are deep,complex etc... But truth be told PoS
isn't that capable in terms of instrumentalists /musicians... So I think we're in for a slightly alternative rock album.
Don't get me wrong,I think it will be good album at least,but there is so much good music out there and I don't want/need/expect a good PoS album...
Only excellent or great or amazing or perfect recording would satisfy me...
Maybe that's not nice,but that's how it is...
Just my two cents.
;)[/quote]
nah, I don't think so! did you ever listened to Pink Floyd - live in Pompeii? really great, and very experimental.
maybe they go for some overdubs like Yes, as they recorded some parts of "awaken" live, in a cathedral, and added many details later. even on
scarsick, there is so much detail, if you listen with headphones.. little guitar licks, and keyboard sounds, which make it deeper than I thought at
first. last week, as I was reading the manual for the Elements guitars (there's a DVD with some scarsick tracks playing in the menu), I put on
headphones, and I did discover many things, I never noticed before!
the big advantage of live recording compared to overdub is, that it's a bit more "flowing", I guess. whereas BE sometimes sounds a bit mechanical, or
how should I put it?
I could imagine, that they'll record some basic things together first, then going over the material, and work from there... or something like
this..[/quote]
Yes,maybe you're right...we'll just have to wait a year or so and see...
[quote][i]Originally posted by niguevara[/i]But truth be told PoS isn't that capable in terms of instrumentalists /musicians...[/quote]
How sure are you of this?
[quote][i]Originally posted by Z[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by niguevara[/i]But truth be told PoS isn't that capable in terms of instrumentalists /musicians...[/quote]
How sure are you of this?[/quote]
FH may be,Leo too...maybe even Simon,though I wouldn't bet on that...
But Daniel isn't. If you heard him play live,you'd know he misses a lot,and isn't fluid at all. I'm talking only as far as technique/feel goes. Not
imagination,or ideas.
And Johan would be on the lowest part of 'my favorite' guitar players... let's see: technique-so so,boring; feel- none or little (iter impius live
keeps his head above water), imagination/ideas-what?? Say that again! :)
I'm huge fan, but I find flaws too...that's what makes perfection.
Recording in the rehearsal room isn't the same as recording everything in one take people. I think he means that they rather are going to record as a band and not separate musicians. As opposite to Scarsick, the drums were recorded first in one studio and everything else a little here and there.
yeah, you are right!
the funny thing is: on records, I like Daniels solos more, they are very tasty, but live- he isn't capable of pulling them of, which is a bit pity...
(for example: Used solo) and that's something I really like about Dream Theater! their performance is tight, and they don't play at the limit...
overall, and musically, PoS is superior, but if they would play better, that would be just perfect. the emotions ARE there, I have seen them 2 x times
this year! but flaws are there, too... (still my fave band)!
Well,i'll say my opinion too...
I think that musician is not only his guital,drum or singing techique...
I think that PoS are great professionals...for me professional musicians it's something more then naked technique...
I was watching Madonna's gig not that long time ago by TV and after her great tour she gathered all people she was working with in this tour and told
them:"Guys,i hope that in the end of our tour you'll change a little your attitude to people...that you'll be treating them better and will be feeling
more sympathy to them because if it won't happen you are not real PROFESSIONALS"...
Pain of salvation are real professionals in all meanings to me,great musicians,great minds and simple great people.
All these "technique mistakes" during the gigs-they all hear it and know about it, gigs it's first of all-emotions...and my emotions are always
good...and pleasant i think that other things doesn't really matter;)
And about DT-yes,their technique in gigs is perfect...but their albums sounds for me just the same...from album to album...
So...i think that PROFESSIONAL mucisian it's much more then only a technique)
[quote][i]Originally posted by Victoria[/i]
Well,i'll say my opinion too...
I think that musician is not only his guital,drum or singing techique...
I think that PoS are great professionals...for me professional musicians it's something more then naked technique...
I was watching Madonna's gig not that long time ago by TV and after her great tour she gathered all people she was working with in this tour and told
them:"Guys,i hope that in the end of our tour you'll change a little your attitude to people...that you'll be treating them better and will be feeling
more sympathy to them because if it won't happen you are not real PROFESSIONALS"...
Pain of salvation are real professionals in all meanings to me,great musicians,great minds and simple great people.
All these "technique mistakes" during the gigs-they all hear it and know about it, gigs it's first of all-emotions...and my emotions are always
good...and pleasant i think that other things doesn't really matter;)
And about DT-yes,their technique in gigs is perfect...but their albums sounds for me just the same...from album to album...
So...i think that PROFESSIONAL mucisian it's much more then only a technique)[/quote]
that's not the point but ok.
Pos just suck.
niguevara,that's just MY opinion and i don't ask anyone to support it;)
Everything's simple-if you don't like PoS live you can sit at home and listening to PoS in record:p
he didn't say he doesn't like their shows,he only said their performance isn't perfect
btw,Labrie sucks anus. DT live are amazing but somehow he always manages to annoy me.
[quote][i]Ursprünglich verfasst von niguevara[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Victoria[/i]
Well,i'll say my opinion too...
I think that musician is not only his guital,drum or singing techique...
I think that PoS are great professionals...for me professional musicians it's something more then naked technique...
I was watching Madonna's gig not that long time ago by TV and after her great tour she gathered all people she was working with in this tour and told
them:"Guys,i hope that in the end of our tour you'll change a little your attitude to people...that you'll be treating them better and will be feeling
more sympathy to them because if it won't happen you are not real PROFESSIONALS"...
Pain of salvation are real professionals in all meanings to me,great musicians,great minds and simple great people.
All these "technique mistakes" during the gigs-they all hear it and know about it, gigs it's first of all-emotions...and my emotions are always
good...and pleasant i think that other things doesn't really matter;)
And about DT-yes,their technique in gigs is perfect...but their albums sounds for me just the same...from album to album...
So...i think that PROFESSIONAL mucisian it's much more then only a technique)[/quote]
that's not the point but ok.[/quote]
exactly!
it is NOT about playing like machines: it's obvious mistakes, which disturbs the song flow, or whatever. i mean look at daniels solo in "falling"--
musically it's stunning, but the 2 live performances, I saw this year were not! petruccis live performance of the solo to "goodnight kiss" or "though
her eyes" was so great, because he wasn't kinda "searching" for notes. DT have their songs down that good, they can put feel into (let us put aside
the discussion about DT and feeling PLEASE!!! it bores me!!!) it's the control over the instrument which makes a big part of feeling (tone, timing,
phrasing etc.)
speaking about professionals- I think that they should be able to play their parts right!
don't get me wrong PoS are pros; they, at least daniel, makes his living with music. and as said before, their shows ARE great, and full of emotions,
but they could be even better!!!
and bout madonna- I heard the opposite, how she is treating the crew...
[quote][i]Originally posted by Z[/i]
btw,Labrie sucks anus. [/quote]
[b][size=99]QFT[/size][/b]
Dream Theater fanboy thread in MY Welcome to Entropia? This is sickening!
ah come on, go home!
don't get me wrong PoS are pros; they, at least daniel, makes his living with music. and as said before, their shows ARE great, and full of emotions,
but they could be even better!!!
and bout madonna- I heard the opposite, how she is treating the crew...[/quote]
Well,yes there's no limit to perfection;)
About Madonna-i dunno,maybe it's all just a PR(i know that it's) but the words are great and i agree with it on 100%:)
[quote][i]Originally posted by Z[/i]
DT live are amazing[/quote]
The hell they are.
September 27th 2005, their show on the Octavarium tour. Nearly died of boredom that night.
[quote][i]Originally posted by PrismoFillusion[/i]
Dream Theater fanboy thread in MY Welcome to Entropia?[/quote]
It's more likely thank you think.
Jesus christ the walls of text on page 4 D:
Man, I didn't even know there was an update :( I am so out of touch with the bands goings on.
I am really thinking that the album will end up sounding nothing like what Daniel is describing it as, I mean most of the time when bands mention it
sounding like certain bands they take a very very very vague quality from the music and add it to theirs.
Heavy early 70s could just mean psychedelia influence (which if this ever occurred on a PoS album I would die happy), dark weirdness - well I mean
shit like Thorn Clown was pretty dark and bits of it were very weird, and then 'fragile suggestiveness' could mean ANYTHING, as for foo fighter
energetics, shit that also could mean ANYTHING.
So I'm really just taking this with a grain of salt, I mean this IS coming from the same guy who described his own music as 'emotional crossover
music' at one point in time :lol
[quote][i]Originally posted by ThornClown81[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Z[/i]
DT live are amazing[/quote]
The hell they are.
September 27th 2005, their show on the Octavarium tour. Nearly died of boredom that night.[/quote]
:lol
The 30. september show that tour was one of my top 5 concert moments, ever.
Guess people can be different.
Considering PoS, seems like I´ll go to ProgPower... :D